Coyote Con

Panel: Megan Arkenburger, JA Howe, Karen Newman, Rhonda Parrish, John Zima
5:00 PM Eastern, May 29, 2010

[karenlnewman] 5:18 pm: I edit the online magazine Afterburn SF. I started there in 2006 when the mag opened as horror editor and now I edit the whole magazine. I also edit Illumen.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:18 pm: Hi, I’m Megan. I edit the fantasy e-zine Mirror Dance, the historical fiction e-zine Lacuna, and the electronic/print charity anthology Crimethink.

[Rhonda] 5:18 pm: Hi. I’m Rhonda. I founded and edit the fantasy and horror e-zine Niteblade.

[John Klima] 5:19 pm: Hi, I’m John. I edit the speculative fiction magazine Electric Velocipede. It won the Best Fanzine Hugo in 2009 and has been nominated three times for the World Fantasy Award. Prior to that, I worked at Tor Books and Asimov’s & Analog science fiction magazines.

[JAHowe] 5:21 pm: Hi I’m JA Howe. I’ve been writing and publishing in ezines since the 1990′s, I think starting with Schroedinger’s Mouse, but also Ultraverse. Though I do publish also in hard copy, these days my stuff is mostly online.

[Deena] 5:21 pm: You’re all extremely talented people. Tell us, in whatever order you like, a little bit about how ‘zines got started.

[John Klima] 5:23 pm: Electric Velocipede is a print zine. It started as a fold-and-staple, hand collated, photocopied zine in 2000.

[JAHowe] 5:23 pm: Wow I remember ‘zines just sort of exploding all over the internet… I started with Schroedinger’s Mouse in one of those “shot in the dark” moments, because back in 1996 that was a very new concept.

[John Klima] 5:23 pm: I was inspired by Gavin Grant who edits and publishes Lady Churchill’s Rosebud Wristlet.

[karenlnewman] 5:23 pm: Wade Kimberlin first owned and published Afterburn SF. I was one of 3 editors. When he left due to work issues, the magazine was run, as it is now, by Nat Thompson. The other two editors left, and I was the only one left. At first we published reviews and interviews along with art, but now concentrate on the stories, which are published biweekly.

[Rhonda] 5:24 pm: I can only speak for Niteblade, and really it began as a case of ‘I can do better’. I’d been submitting a lot of my writing to online ‘zines because, frankly, it was easier than submitting hardcopies and I was less than impressed with a fair number of the ‘zines I saw. I figured I could do better. We have.

[John Klima] 5:24 pm: Now Electric Velocipede is a perfect bound magazine, so I’ve moved a bit beyond zines.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:24 pm: I started both of my ‘zines because I didn’t think there were enough places that published what they publish–a wide range of fantasy, for Mirror Dance, and historical fiction, for Lacuna.

[JAHowe] 5:25 pm: *G*I recall being all freaked out at first thinking “wow how’s this effect copyright, will my stuff be stolen,” all that. And now it’s very mainstream.

[karenlnewman] 5:25 pm: Illumen is a print magazine, but I got my editorial start with Afterburn SF.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:25 pm: Also, a bit of what Rhonda mentioned–I wasn’t impressed by a whole bunch of the e-zines I was seeing, physical-appearance wise. The fiction and poetry were okay, but I didn’t find the layouts attractive or easy to navigate.

[karenlnewman] 5:26 pm: As with Rhonda, I like the convenience of email subs and the saving of postage.

[John Klima] 5:26 pm: Last year we implemented an electronic submission system, and it’s been great

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:26 pm: And the saving of floor space! I don’t know where I would keep all of the submissions if they were in physical copy.

[John Klima] 5:26 pm: We got a lot of subs from outside the US, which is excellent.

[Rhonda] 5:27 pm: I’ve used your submission system, I agree, it’s great

[Rhonda] 5:27 pm: …as a submitter I mean. In case that wasn’t clear

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:27 pm: Pirate the submissions system!

[Deena] 5:27 pm: I’ll have to check it out. I’ve been wanting to change the way we accept submissions.

[John Klima] 5:28 pm: Deena, if you have questions about the system, feel free to ask. It’s the same one that’s used by Clarkesworld, Fantasy Magazine, and Lightspeed.

[Deena] 5:29 pm: thanks, John, I will. It looks a lot like a bug-tracking system.

[John Klima] 5:29 pm: That’s exactly what it is.

[Deena] 5:29 pm: That’s very clever.

[riversway] 5:29 pm: How is copyright protected?

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:30 pm: I think riversway is asking how e-zines protect their stories from plagiarism or unauthorized reproduction. Is that correct?

[riversway] 5:30 pm: yes

[JAHowe] 5:31 pm: I believe that was the gist of the question… I’ll take it.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:31 pm: Well, I think plagiarism is a danger whenever an author shares their work…

[John Klima] 5:31 pm: I don’t have a lot of experience with ezines

[John Klima] 5:31 pm: I do post a few stories from each issue online

[John Klima] 5:32 pm: and the authors are always very willing to have them be online so that they reach a wider audience

[Rhonda] 5:32 pm: That’s a tricky question. My answer is to some extent we can’t. E-books are pirated all the time in online ‘libraries’ and while we can work to stop the illegal ‘sharing’ of .pdfs and such when we know about them, we’re unlikely to ever have a 100% success rate.

[karenlnewman] 5:33 pm: The only way to fully protect against plagiarism is to pay to have the work copyrighted, I think.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:33 pm: …but I generally trust that a) most of my readers are decent people and b) the stories I publish are more likely to make other writers go “Cool idea, that inspires a new idea for me!” rather than “Cool idea, I’m going to copy and paste this into a new document.”

[Rhonda] 5:33 pm: Oh, see, I read the question differently.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:33 pm: I don’t think there’s a sure-fire way to protect against copy-and-paste plagiarism, but I also don’t think it’s all that common.

[karenlnewman] 5:34 pm: With scanners, I would think print magazines would be prone to some of the same problems as the online ones.

[John Klima] 5:35 pm: Perhaps

[JAHowe] 5:35 pm: Well, riversway, copyright protection is certainly a big issue with writers. However, if you look over at http://www.sfwa.org/2005/01/copyrights_and_meteorites/ they’ll tell you that no, you don’t have to copyright most of the stuff you pub on the internet. Basically what it comes down to is that any editor of an ezine who’s known to steal someone’s work
him or herself is going to be soon out of business.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:36 pm: @JA, that’s exactly what I told the kids in my local high school ‘s writing group; no one who steals stories from kids is going to stick around long

[JAHowe] 5:36 pm: Thanks

[riversway] 5:37 pm: Thank you all,

[JAHowe] 5:37 pm: (about both I mean)

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:37 pm: Or steals stories from anyone else, but it seems to be the newbies who worry most about that.

[JAHowe] 5:37 pm: correct, Megan…

[Rhonda] 5:37 pm: What do you guys find is the single biggest challenge when it comes to ‘zines? Promotion? Distribution? Content?
[John Klima] 5:38 pm: For me it’s been both promotion and distribution

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:38 pm: For me, promotion.

[John Klima] 5:38 pm: getting the word out is an unending job

[John Klima] 5:38 pm: and people are in so many different places that it can be a real effort to keep up

[John Klima] 5:39 pm: trying to maintain a presence in social networking, for example

[JAHowe] 5:39 pm: hm, there’s a fourth: the staying power of the ezine. Because over the years I’ve seen many that I liked go by the wayside.

[John Klima] 5:39 pm: either you pick one and hope that a lot of people use it

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:39 pm: Ugh, I don’t have the time for social networking for myself!

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:39 pm: Much less for the magazines!

[John Klima] 5:39 pm: or you try to maintain a presence in a lot of places, which is almost impossible

[John Klima] 5:39 pm: exactly

[Rhonda] 5:39 pm: I was hoping you’d say that — I find promotion to be incredibly time-consuming and it’s tricky to find efforts that are effective instead of black holes that suck all my time and energy into them.

[karenlnewman] 5:39 pm: Promotion and sometimes content. I’m particular about what I accept, as I’m sure they rest of you are.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:40 pm: Content has been a real issue for Crimethink

[John Klima] 5:40 pm: in what way?

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:40 pm: I get plenty of fiction subs at the e-zines, but getting nonfiction essays was a challenge

[Rhonda] 5:40 pm: Do they go by the wayside because of one of those other issues though JA, or mostly straight-up finances?

[JAHowe] 5:40 pm: lol I’m on yegods know how much social networking stuff just for the sake of making sure people know I’m out there. and yes, it’s a grind. I have to make appointments with myself to check on facebook, linkedin and so on at least every couple months. Promotion’s a pain.

[karenlnewman] 5:41 pm: I’ve been very pleased with submissions lately. One story last year was a storySouth Million Writers Award Notable Story of 2009.

[JAHowe] 5:41 pm: Rhonda, in answer to your question, I’ve seen both happen.

[Rhonda] 5:41 pm: Niteblade used to have a non-fiction section…we got a total of one submission for it, so that didn’t last long LOL I feel for you Megan

[Deena] 5:41 pm: Congrats, Karen!

[JAHowe] 5:42 pm: me too Megan

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:42 pm: Hee-hee. I’ve been making a lot of reprint requests on essays I’ve liked in other magazines…

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:42 pm: ..and e-mailing people I know to ask for new essays. Most of them had to turn it down because of time constraints.

[John Klima] 5:42 pm: I’m re-openings to subs on June 1, so I’m getting ready for a LOT of content

[John Klima] 5:43 pm: I have a handful of nonfiction columns from regular people, so that’s worked out well for me

[karenlnewman] 5:43 pm: Megan, Nonfiction’s been tough for Illumen.

[Deena] 5:43 pm: John, what are you looking for?

[JAHowe] 5:43 pm: I didn’t realize Illumen took nonfic.

[John Klima] 5:43 pm: in regards to fiction?

[Deena] 5:43 pm: yes

[John Klima] 5:43 pm: I always want to something a little different

[karenlnewman] 5:43 pm: Yes, Illumen takes interviews, reviews and articles.

[JAHowe] 5:44 pm: Hmmm… I’m making a note of that

[John Klima] 5:44 pm: writers like Jeffrey Ford, Kelly Link, China Mieville, Margo Lanagan, Jeff VanderMeer

[John Klima] 5:44 pm: stuff that kind of falls between literary and genre a lot of the time

[John Klima] 5:44 pm: although, that depends on who you talk to

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:44 pm: (I love that kind of stuff)

[John Klima] 5:44 pm: for example, some people think I don’t publish much science fiction

[John Klima] 5:45 pm: and others say that I’m more prone to publish science fiction versus similar publications

[Rhonda] 5:45 pm: LoL

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:46 pm: I always got a sci-fi vibe from EV, but maybe that’s because of the title.

[karenlnewman] 5:46 pm: I did too.

[Rhonda] 5:46 pm: Sci-Fi is in the eye of the reader, and all that

[John Klima] 5:46 pm: could be, I’m not the best SF fan

[John Klima] 5:46 pm: lol

[John Klima] 5:46 pm: the sf I publish is usually pretty weird

[karenlnewman] 5:46 pm: I tend to accept more SF and fantasy than horror for Afterburn SF.

[John Klima] 5:46 pm: you can see examples at http://www.electricvelocipede.com/htm/free_fiction.htm

[riversway] 5:47 pm: Since i’m new to zines – what type of non-fiction do your look for in Illumen, Karen?

[Rhonda] 5:47 pm: I tend to accept more horror than fantasy, but that’s because of what gets submitted more than anything else.

[karenlnewman] 5:47 pm: Illumen is a print poetry magazine. We take articles about poetry, reviews of poetry collections, and interviews with poets.

[karenlnewman] 5:48 pm: No nonfiction now for Afterburn SF.

[BethC] 5:49 pm: Submissions guidelines are obviously important. Can you tell us some amusing instances where people have most definitely NOT followed the guidelines?

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:50 pm: Oh, simultaneous submissions!

[John Klima] 5:50 pm: The big thing I see is submissions without contact information on them

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:50 pm: I get them often, and–weirdly–almost always from creative writing students. I’m making a statistics page just to follow this odd phenomenon.

[karenlnewman] 5:51 pm: Afterburn SF is a PG-13 site. I’ve had people submit detailed sex scenes that go beyond an R rating.

[Rhonda] 5:51 pm: LOL The Niteblade submissions guidelines include a list of things you shouldn’t do because they will make me grumpy. I’ve added each of them as someone has done that thing and made me grumpy. Calling me ‘Mr’, not following formatting instructions. It drives me bonkers.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:51 pm: Also, what John mentioned. Or an author uses a pen name on the manuscript and her real name in the e-mail, so I don’ t match the story to the cover letter.

[JAHowe] 5:52 pm: We’ve another question, I think.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:52 pm: Rhonda, I’ve been called Mr too. Apparently we have such masculine first names.

[Rhonda] 5:52 pm: I specifically say not to indent submissions — 15% of my submissions are indented. I ask for no synopsis in the cover letter and get a great number of them as well. I love the cover letters that say ‘I don’t want to make you grumpy…’ because it means they’ve read the guidelines

[Rhonda] 5:52 pm: LoL I know. I’ve never met a man named Rhonda or Megan before…

[John Klima] 5:52 pm: Or things addressed to a different editor altogether

[Deena] 5:53 pm: My favorite? “I’m writing to request representation.”

[Rhonda] 5:53 pm: I’m curious what the biggest change editors have seen in ‘zines between when they started and now.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:53 pm: Deena, I’d say “Sure, but are you in my congressional district?”

[Deena] 5:53 pm: hee!

[JAHowe] 5:54 pm: lol

[Deena] 5:54 pm: So, guys, what’s the biggest change between now and when you started?

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:54 pm: Well, I’m pretty new to ‘zines, so there haven’t been huge changes–other than an exponential increase in submissions.

[John Klima] 5:54 pm: the biggest change from when I started to now is the popularity of electronic readers and reading electronically

[John Klima] 5:54 pm: ten years ago it wasn’t something people did much at all

[karenlnewman] 5:54 pm: Hard for me to say. I started off as horror editor, and the stories I received required a LOT of editing to be published. I had to take them, or I’d have nothing. Now that I edit all three – SF, fantasy, and horror, it’s easier to find good work.

[John Klima] 5:55 pm: but I’ve even moved to all electronic submissions, so it’s on both sides of the business

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:55 pm: Like Karen, the first work I recieved for Mirror Dance needed a lot of edits, but now, I’m able to reject that kind of work outright.

[Deena] 5:56 pm: The biggest change I’ve seen, I think, is the quality of the publication and the material within it, in general.

[JAHowe] 5:56 pm: Wow, biggest change… well it’s more acceptable for one thing to publish in an ezine. Socially, I mean. I used to get the “oh… yes… one of THOSE…” things from people, because they were considered all vanity back when.

[Deena] 5:56 pm: Or fan, right JA?

[JAHowe] 5:56 pm: yup

[spot_writes] 5:56 pm: Do you all pay pro rates? Or just exposure? And maybe a little more about what you’re looking for and what you’re not.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:56 pm: When my story appeared in Clarkesworld, it was still hard for me to explain to my parents that, even though it’s on the internet, it’s legitimate.

[JAHowe] 5:57 pm: Yes!

[John Klima] 5:57 pm: I only pay semipro rates at this time

[John Klima] 5:57 pm: I’d love to do better

[karenlnewman] 5:57 pm: Afterburn SF pays $30 for each accepted story upon publication, regardless of length.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:57 pm: Mirror Dance is 4theluv, Lacuna pays a token amount.

[Deena] 5:57 pm: DP has a zine, Member Disjecta, that publishes horror, science fiction, fantasy, slipstream, new weird, predominantly, and essays on those fields, or people in them. We pay a pittance. But we’re nice.

[Rhonda] 5:58 pm: Niteblade pays $5/story + a copy and $3/poem + a copy.

[John Klima] 5:58 pm: I pay 1 cent/word with a $25 min

[Rhonda] 5:58 pm: I’d love to pay more, but the money isn’t there yet.

[JAHowe] 5:58 pm: lol I’m just a writer

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:58 pm: Oh, I didn’t know Membra Disjecta was with Drollerie.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:58 pm: Rhonda, same here.

[karenlnewman] 5:58 pm: Afterburn SF publishes action-based fiction.

[Deena] 5:58 pm: Yup…. and it’s been sleeping, but it will be coming out in June.

[Megan Arkenberg] 5:59 pm: Cool!

[spot_writes] 5:59 pm: So since the HWA started requiring pro sales for admission, that makes it tough on all us newbies. I’m fine with 4 the luv, but it seems like they look down on it…

[karenlnewman] 5:59 pm: Afterburn SF is open for submission now!

[Deena] 6:00 pm: Spot, they do, all the professional organizations do. Or, as the SFWA panel said, it’s not that it’s not a great market, it’s just not a pro market.

[JAHowe] 6:01 pm: They do indeed, spot. I know where you’re coming from and it’s one of those hot topics as far as I’ve seen: whether or not you’re “truly” published if you only did stuff for no-pay magazines. Personally I publish in both kinds, always have.

[Deena] 6:01 pm: You should probably submit to pro paying markets first.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:01 pm: And SFWA and HWA are organizations for pros.

[redstone] 6:01 pm: I just started Redstone Science Fiction and we’ve gotten a lot done, but the factor we are still trying to decide is how often to be open. We are paying a pro rate, but are starting with two stories a month. We got 200 in our first 3-week window. How do you all handle the opening & closing for submissions?

[Rhonda] 6:01 pm: I think 4 the luv markets have their purpose. As a writer they are where I started in order to get my confidence up and move on to paying markets, but you can’t really equate them with pro markets.

[karenlnewman] 6:02 pm: Afterburn SF used to open once a year and fill for the year. Now we’ll be open twice yearly. Right now, I’m looking to buy 14 stories. We close when we have enough stories.

[John Klima] 6:02 pm: I’m pretty much open for six months out of the year

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:03 pm: Redstone, I don’t have any closings for Mirror Dance, but I decided earlier this year to close Lacuna over the summer because I had filled issues too far in the future. In the future, I think the summer closing will be a permanent feature, just to give me a break from half of the slush pile.

[John Klima] 6:03 pm: I was planning on being open on an ongoing basis

[John Klima] 6:03 pm: but I got too many subs filling up issues so I had to close so I wasn’t accepted someething that would then appear three years later

[Rhonda] 6:03 pm: Niteblade is open to poetry year-round and only closed to fiction subs two months out of the year to buy me time to catch up. I’d like to be open on an ongoing basis, but I find I really need that catch up time.

[John Klima] 6:03 pm: so I close for four to six months and then open the rest of the year

[John Klima] 6:04 pm: we’re trying to go to quarterly which will help us out a lot

[karenlnewman] 6:04 pm: In the past Afterburn SF was open maybe two months out of the year. We’ll see with the new system.

[BethC] 6:05 pm: Editors, how long does it take for you to respond to a submission?

[John Klima] 6:05 pm: it takes us about a month

[John Klima] 6:05 pm: sometimes quicker, sometimes a littler longer

[John Klima] 6:05 pm: when I was doing all the reading myself it took a lot longer; 12 – 18 months

[John Klima] 6:05 pm: so it’s MUCH better

[karenlnewman] 6:05 pm: If the story is poor, not long. I’ll hold the better ones for further consideration, and try to make a final decision in about a month or so.

[Deena] 6:06 pm: It takes me a long time with MD.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:06 pm: It really, really depends. Sometimes I know in a day if a story isn’t right for us, but I’ve had some stories in Lacuna’s slush for three months that I still haven’t decided on.

[John Klima] 6:06 pm: I have three/four (depending on schedules) other readers for EV

[redstone] 6:06 pm: We want to be available for submissions and make it an ongoing process, we are going to try being open the 1st to 15th, each month this summer, but I expect we will get a huge number at the wrong time. We managed to reply to everything on average with 4 weeks.

[John Klima] 6:06 pm: that helps us stay on top of it

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:06 pm: I try to notify authors if it’s going to take me that long ,though.

[Rhonda] 6:06 pm: Duotrope says it takes me about 39 days, and that seems about right on average. Sometimes, if the submitter hits me just as I’m on a reading spree it’s quite a bit shorter, and poetry is usually faster than fiction, but I think 40 days sounds about right.

[Deena] 6:06 pm: Redstone, you will get them at the wrong time, and if you don’t respond the authors will get cranky.

[JAHowe] 6:06 pm: lol karen, that’s kind of the way I used to gauge what an editor thought of my stuff; if it hung out there longer I crossed my fingers that they liked it!

[Rhonda] 6:07 pm: That would be accurate for me JA. I often hang onto things I’m struggling to make my mind up about.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:07 pm: Same here.

[karenlnewman] 6:08 pm: I’ve gotten to where I’ll hold the really good ones now too.

[redstone] 6:08 pm: Thanks for the info – We’ll put up our first issue June 1st – we’ll see how it goes.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:09 pm: And sometimes, if I have a pile of response to write, I’ll do the rejections first because they’re harder to write. It means that the acceptances take longer to get their responses.

[Rhonda] 6:09 pm: G’luck Redstone

[John Klima] 6:09 pm: good luck redstone

[Deena] 6:09 pm: Redstone, put a link to it on the transcript.

[karenlnewman] 6:09 pm: I look forward to seeing the issue, redstone.

[spot_writes] 6:10 pm: when you reject something, do you send a form letter (email)? What if it’s really bad? Do you actually say something to the writer? I’m sure I’m not alone in wondering sometimes if “not quite right for our mag” means….please don’t send anything else!

[Deena] 6:11 pm: Spot, if it’s really bad, I send a form letter. If it’s just not quite right, I tell the author why.

[John Klima] 6:11 pm: We just use a form letter. We get too many submissions to personalize things.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:11 pm: Spot_writes, I think it depends on the magazine. I know I don’t feel comfortable saying “this sucked” flat-out, and I sometimes use round-about phrases like “this wasn’t quite right” or “this isn’t polished enough”.

[Rhonda] 6:11 pm: LOL I usually stick with the form letter, but occasionally I will offer a comment or two. If it’s really bad it always gets the form letter. Though, often ‘not quite right’ really does mean just that — great story, not right for this ezine.

[karenlnewman] 6:12 pm: I usually send a form letter. If the writer is new, I’ll try to offer helpful suggestions.

[Rhonda] 6:12 pm: One of the hardest things I do as an editor is pass on stories that are fabulous (often far better than what I can write) because it’s just not right for Niteblade.

[Deena] 6:12 pm: I should add, if I’m pressed, everyone gets a form letter, and the more submissions I get, the shorter the form.

[Deena] 6:13 pm: Rhonda, that sounds painful.

[Rhonda] 6:13 pm: It hurts. I won’t lie LOL

[karenlnewman] 6:13 pm: I once took a story that didn’t have much action because I loved the story so much. I think that happened just once.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:14 pm: I turned down a story for Mirror Dance once because I didn’t feel write taking it without paying at least something. It’s only happened once, though.

[John Klima] 6:14 pm: I’ve accepted a few fairly straight fiction pieces because they were too good to pass on

[Deena] 6:14 pm: Megan, Rhonda, John, JA, Karen, thank you all for coming.

[John Klima] 6:14 pm: you’re welcome! it was fun

[redstone] 6:14 pm: I’m Michael Ray, btw, the editor – http://redstonesciencefiction.com the site has been up & we have a facebook & twitter (of course) – Thanks for the advice.

[John Klima] 6:14 pm: go for it!

[karenlnewman] 6:14 pm: Thanks for having me. You can find Afterburn SF at http://www.afterburnsf.com

[Deena] 6:14 pm: Thanks for the link, Karen.

[JAHowe] 6:14 pm: Yes, in fact could all the editors put up a link to their zines on the transcript?

[Deena] 6:14 pm: http://membradisjecta.com is the DP zine.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:14 pm: Mirror Dance: http://mirrordancefantasy.blogspot.com

[Rhonda] 6:14 pm: Niteblade is at http://www.niteblade.com

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:15 pm: Lacuna: http://lacunajournal.blogspot.com; Crimethink: crimethinksf.blogspot.com

[John Klima] 6:15 pm: www.electricvelocipede.com

[spot_writes] 6:16 pm: Thank you all, it has been really informative!

[BethC] 6:16 pm: Thanks, everyone. Great information.

[JAHowe] 6:16 pm: Thanks for coming and listening.

[riversway] 6:17 pm: Thank you all

[karenlnewman] 6:17 pm: Thank you all so much for coming.

[PeachesNCream] 6:17 pm: Thanks for the great info! Wonderful panel.

[LynneB] 6:17 pm: Thanks to all on the panel and Deena as well. This session provided lots of great info and help.

[Deena] 6:17 pm: Thanks, Lynne!

[JAHowe] 6:18 pm: I agree, good info.

[Rhonda] 6:18 pm: Thank you for inviting me here, I had a lot of fun

[Deena] 6:18 pm: I’m so glad, Rhonda! Come back next year.

[Megan Arkenberg] 6:18 pm: It’s been fun. Thanks for talking and or/listening!

[John Klima] 6:18 pm: I had fun, too! I hope people found it useful

[Rhonda] 6:18 pm: I’ll be here. Count on it