Steampunk I

Panelists:  Seleste deLaney, J.L. Hilton, Jenny Schwartz, Cindy Spencer Pape

Me: WELCOME TO THE LOKI CHATROOM. THIS IS THE STEAMPUNK PANEL.

MeIf everyone will take their seats, we’ll get started…

elladrake:  *sits*

MeI am your moderator.

Veronica Scott:  *sits* next to Ella

Seleste deLaneyFeeling far too sedate still

MePay no attention to the woman behind the curtain…

MeWELCOME to the Loki chatroom and the CoyoteCon Steampunk panel for Friday, October 26, at 8 PM ET. Our panelists are steampunk authors Seleste deLaney, Jenny Schwartz and Cindy Spencer Pape.

Seleste deLaneyThere. *sits*

Seleste deLaneyD’oh to hard to read

CindySpencerPapetries not to giggle

Seleste deLaneyTesting

MeI am your moderator, J.L. Hilton. I’ve been a steampunk and neo-Victorian jewelry designer for over ten years, and I am featured in the books “Steampunk Style Jewelry” and “1000 Steampunk Creations.” My jewelry website is JLHjewelry.com and my author website is JLHilton.com. I’m the author of the (not steampunk) sci-fi Stellarnet Series, but I’ve been invited to moderate because of my steampunk background — and because I’ve read steampunk books written by all of our wonderful panelists! I’m a fan of all.

Seleste deLaneyGrrrr

Jenny Schwartzand we love your jewelry!

MeThank you!

Seleste deLaneyYes!

MeFor the first part of our panel, I will have some questions for our panelists. Please allow each of them to respond and discuss, and HOLD ALL QUESTIONS.

CindySpencerPape

MeIf you have a question, type “?” (it’s like raising your hand). I will keep a running list of attendees with questions and will call on you one by one when we open it up to general discussion and Q&A around 8:30pm ET.

MePLEASE PLEASE follow these guidelines, otherwise the text will scroll by too fast for me to keep up. I’m terrible at chatrooms! This will also ensure that we stay on topic, answer as many questions as possible, and allow our panelists to give full and thoughtful answers.

MeSo, basically, for the first 25 minutes or so, we’ll have questions, the panelists will have answers, and they will discuss amongst themselves.

MeThere will be a transcript of this chat available at the CoyoteCon website later on, as well.

MePRIZES: There will be a few door prizes at the end of the panel! We will be giving away digital copies (epub or pdf) of the latest steampunk novella, Courting Trouble, by Jenny Schwartz, Badlands by Seleste deLaney, and Cindy Spencer Pape’s new book, Moonlight & Mechanicals.

MeLet’s get things rolling. Panelists: Tell us a little bit about yourselves (make sure to include websites, social media and where to buy your books) and give us the title(s) and a brief description of the steampunk book(s) you’ve published.

Jenny SchwartzI write light steampunk. My series, “The Bustlepunk Chronicles”, is set in my home state of Western Australia. Writing steampunk is a delightful way to mis-use my history degree. My website is http://authorjennyschw….com/ You’ll find links to my Twitter and Facebook accounts there, as well as my books. “Courting Trouble” is the latest.

Seleste deLaneyDo you want us to go in any special order?

Jenny SchwartzOops

MeGood point. OK, we’ll let Jenny start.

CindySpencerPape
MeReminder: You are in the Loki chatroom and the CoyoteCon Steampunk panel for Friday, October 26, at 8 PM ET. Our panelists are steampunk authors Seleste deLaney, Jenny Schwartz and Cindy Spencer Pape.

MeDo you want to add anything, Jenny?

Jenny SchwartzNope. being good and silent for a bit

MeOK, Seleste? Your turn.

Seleste deLaneyWell I linked all my socials but they are also on my website and blog, so you can get them there as well. And all my books are linked on the website as well. Here goes (I got wordy, sorry)

Seleste deLaneyHi all! I’m a former lab rat, turned science teacher, turned author. You can find me all over the internet. Website: http://selestedelaney.com/ Blog: http://selestedelaney…..com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Se…Laney Facebook: http://www.facebook.co…laney and http://www.facebook.co…06874 And I also blog for Here Be Magic, The ParaPosse, and the Evil League of Evil Writers (in addition to doing some reviews for Wicked Lil Pixie). I write paranormal romance, urban fantasy, romantic suspense, and of course steampunk romance. Badlands (http://ebooks.carinapr…5E74C) takes place in an alternate history America where the south won the civil war and the land west of the Mississippi is known as The Badlands. It’s a penal colony ruled by a matriarchal monarchy. Here’s a little more about it: After a brutal Civil War, America is a land divided. As commander of her nation’s border guards, Ever is a warrior sworn to protect her country and her queen. When an airship attacks and kills the monarch, Ever must infiltrate enemy territory to bring home the heir to the throne, and the dirigible Dark Hawk is her fastest way to the Union. Captain Spencer Pierce just wants to pay off the debt he owes on the Dark Hawk and make a life for himself trading across the border. When the queen’s assassination puts the shipping routes at risk, he finds himself Ever’s reluctant ally. As they fly into danger, Ever and Spencer must battle not only the enemy but also their growing attraction. She refuses to place her heart before duty, and he has always put the needs of his ship and crew above his own desires. Once the princess is rescued, perhaps they can find love in the Badlands—if death doesn’t find them first… The sequel, Clockwork Mafia, comes out this spring!

Seleste deLaney(And I promise to be less wordy from here on out… maybe :P )

Melol If you’re done, Seleste, we can move on to Cindy?

Seleste deLaneyI’m done. Sorry…

Seleste deLaney*hides in corner*

Jenny SchwartzHey, that’s my corner!

Seleste deLaney

MeCindy, do you want to tell us about yourself?

CindySpencerPapeOkay, I’m another former science teacher, among other things, and I write other stuff, but my steampunk is the Gaslight Chronicles from Carina Press. Moonlight & Mechanicals, the second full length book (there are also 2 novellas) came out Monday Here’s where you can find me: Website: http://www.cindyspence…e.com (http://bit.ly/ybxKjP ) Blog: http://cindyspencerpap….com/ Newsletter group: http://yhoo.it/ni7PHo Twitter: http://twitter.com/CindySPape Facebook: http://on.fb.me/gjbLLC

MeFor those who’ve just joined us, you are in the Loki chatroom and the CoyoteCon Steampunk panel for Friday, October 26, at 8 PM ET. Our panelists are steampunk authors Seleste deLaney, Jenny Schwartz and Cindy Spencer Pape.

CindySpencerPapeand poor JL is the cat-herder

MeLet’s keep this same order – Jenny, Seleste, Cindy – for the next question. Are your steampunk books blended with romance, fantasy, supernatural, horror, mystery or some other genre?

Jenny Schwartz“The Bustlepunk Chronicles” are definitely steampunk romance, but sweetly so. They also have a dash of mystery and a lot of sheer joy to be writing about Australia. With steampunk, if it doesn’t fascinate you the author, I think that’ll show through to the reader and reduce their enjoyment. Steampunks are enthusiasts.

Jenny SchwartzSo yes, I think blending is good — just enjoy it, delight in it!

Jenny Schwartzthat’s me done

MeSeleste?

Seleste deLaneyI agree with Jenny, that you have to really enjoy what you’re writing or it will show to the reader. My steampunk books are about evenly split between action/adventure, steampunk/alt-history, and romance, mainly because I like that kind of balance in what I read. Sometimes just one genre is fine, but I prefer to have a lot of things going on but yet have them all work in a cohesive unit. I do have another project (very loosely) in the works that has more of a fantasy element to it, but that will be after I finish up a current series or two.

Seleste deLaneyOh I went already. Sorry, oh Mod, my Mod ;-)

MeCindy?

Jenny SchwartzBadlands is awesome steampunk! Really well balanced and strongly imagined

CindySpencerPapeLet’s see, Carina Press labled Steam & Sorcery as SF, Phantoms and Photographs as Mystery, Kilts & Kraken as romance and Moonlight as fantasy. So I think it’s safe to say I believe in mixing things up, as the same elements are in all 4 stories.

Seleste deLaneyThanks

MeI’ve read steampunk books by all three of you, and they are awesome!

CindySpencerPapeYes, Badlands rocks

Jenny SchwartzIn fact, isn’t steampunk ABOUT blending?

MeGood point, Jenny. I don’t think there’s any stand alone “just steampunk” in steampunk?

Melol

Seleste deLaneyHonestly, i think one of the best parts about this panel is that we’re all fans of each other’s work. I love both Jenny and Cindy’s steampunk too

Jenny SchwartzThis article really caught my attention, on that http://ageofsteam.word…punk/

CindySpencerPapeexactly. It starts out as a mix of historical and SF, so it certainly encourages further messing with reality

MeWhich is a good place for the next question: How do you define steampunk? What makes it steampunk and not just historical, fantasy or sci-fi?

Jenny SchwartzTo me, steampunk is diving into history and shaking it up. I’m very relaxed about definitions. If someone thinks something is steampunk, then it is.

Jenny SchwartzI’m not sure about borders … Anyone else?

CindySpencerPapegenerally speaking, steampunk includes both steam technology and some kind of puk or rebellious attitude. But yeah, I’m all about shaking things up.
MeAny thoughts, Seleste?
Seleste deLaneyI’m a little more definitive than Jenny, but that’s mainly because I read a couple pieces (that won’t be named) that seemed to be trying to “collect” on the current popularity of steampunk without enough to justify the label.

Seleste deLaneyBut my definition is…

Seleste deLaneyFor me, steampunk is defined by a combination of three things: steam technology, some type of advanced science (either within the steam tech itself or in other ways such as clockworks), and some sort of civil unrest (where the punk in steampunk comes from). For me, it’s the combination of those things (in whatever measure) that pushes the genre outside of being “just” historical, fantasy or sci-fi. Steampunk is a sci-fi minded fantasy in historical garb.

CindySpencerPapethat works

MeOoh, I like that.

Jenny SchwartzOoh yeah!

Seleste deLaney*bows*

Seleste deLaneyLOL

MeI think it’s obvious that dragons and damsels, or hippies in tie dye aren’t “steampunk.” But they can be “steampunked.” So, there’s some kind of constant I think people recognize.
MePutting one’s finger on it can be a challenge, though.

Jenny Schwartz*nods*

Seleste deLaneyExactly. It’s an “I know it when I see it” genre

MeOr I know when it really ISN’T … as on Regretsy.com and their “Not remotely steampunk” category lol

Jenny SchwartzTV shows will help…Lantern City, and the Huck & Finn in New Orleans

CindySpencerPapeabsolutely. And then you throw in the “lifestyle” folks who don’t even bother to read, but consider themselves authorities on the genre…

MeDoes the genre dictate or influence the types of characters, stories and settings you create? Could your characters and plots exist in a non-steampunk world?

Jenny SchwartzMy characters could exist in a non-steampunk world, which is why “The Bustlepunk Chronicles” are steampunk-lite. The plots, if I tweaked them, could exist in a non-steampunk world. But there wouldn’t be the fun, the sheer delight of imagining an impossible world.

MeSeleste?

Jenny SchwartzI’m not a hardcore steampunk … more frivolous and tend to be Audience to others’ efforts

Seleste deLaneyWell, Badlands started out as a space western, so yes, my characters could exist outside a steampunk world. However, they fit so well into the mechanics of steampunk that it’s hard for me to imagine them elsewhere now. I think steampunk allows for certain types of characters that would be frowned upon in some other genres. For instance, the rogue warrior women don’t fit many areas in straight historical. And the gorgeous yet virginal scientist would be a hard sell in sci-fi. Steampunk allows for both extremes and I think it’s one of the best genres to really show range, especially where female characters are concerned.

CindySpencerPapesome of mine could. Book 1 for me was a vampire hunter and a governess. Both could be in any era-fantasy. But the stuff they deal with firmly placed them in their world

MeSo, then, why add the steampunk elements?

Me(Sorry, that’s a question I didn’t give you in advance)

Jenny SchwartzBecause you HAVE to!

MeLOL

MeEverything’s better with steampunk

MeWhat’s your favorite aspect of writing steampunk as compared with other genres? From where do you draw your inspirations for steampunk?

Jenny SchwartzSteampunk is all about attitude. It makes its own demands on the story – and on authors

Jenny SchwartzI love taking real history and shaking it up. So that’s where my inspiration comes from. Old books, old buildings, the desire to “correct” history’s mistakes.

Seleste deLaneyYeah. Like I said, Badlands started out as a different story. (Only Ever is a lot like her original incarnation). This just worked better as a world.

CindySpencerPapeand my stuff is pretty lite too, by most standards, so I don’t claim to be an authority on what is and isn’t steampunk. But the fun is in mixing all the amazing elements of history, attitude, SF, fantasy and romance. It’s a genre that just lets the imagination fly

Seleste deLaneyThe freedom. As kind of its own animal, steampunk welcomes the different. It encourages genre mashups and allows the author to tweak history. When I sat down to (re-)write Badlands (after I decided I hated the space western version), it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders. I didn’t have to try to shove the story in a box anymore, I could just let it tell itself. It was an amazing feeling.

CindySpencerPapehonestly, I just really like it

Seleste deLaneyOn the flip side, the hardest part is with regard to the series. Some stories have more of the steampunk elements in them than others and that makes it very difficult for me to find that balance I like. I’m working on book 3 right now and trying not to get bogged down in research while also trying to find ways to work in the technological advances.

MeDo you “live” steampunk beyond your writing? Maybe through costuming, art, groups or clubs, etc.?

Jenny SchwartzI’m not brave like Cindy and Seleste. I don’t costume up. But I do enjoy chatting with other steampunk enthusiasts. Fridays 9pm (New York time) you’ll generally find me on the #steampunkchat on Twitter. Everyone’s welcome to join in.

Seleste deLaney(cheater, you went out of order :P )

CindySpencerPapeI do a little bit of costuming and am dabbling in the social scene, but don’t take it too seriously.

Seleste deLaneyI love to dress up for events when I get the chance, but where I live there isn’t a lot of opportunity (everything is either in Chicago or on the other side of Michigan). So, I costume when I can and I collect a bit of jewelry, but that’s it.

MeI am the eeeevil moderator.

Seleste deLaneyLOL

Jenny SchwartzWe forgive you

MeWhat is your favorite steampunk book from someone NOT on the panel?

Seleste deLaneyI don’t

Seleste deLaney

Jenny SchwartzI love Cory Doctorow’s short story, “Clockwork Fagin”. You can download it free from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/…R67HS It’s a wonderful example of steampunk.

MeOH GOD I LOVE THAT ONE

Me…sry…

Seleste deLaneyThat’s a hard one, especially since I love the work by the other panelists, but I absolutely adore the Kady Cross’s Steampunk Chronicles (Girl in the Steel Corset is the first one). It’s kind of a steampunk take on the X-men that is a fantastic literary escape for me.

MeLove those too

CindySpencerPapeKate Cross’s Heart of Brass is really good

MeI’m going to jump in here and give a shout out to Balogun Ojetade’s Chronicles of Harriet Tubman. They are amazing.

MeDo you have any steampunk WIP or coming soon?

Jenny SchwartzI have a gold rush story underway and plans for another story where for once I have an idea for a title: “The Revenge Device”. And I just finished a first draft on a steampunk regency

CindySpencerPapeon the super-surreal side, check out a short story called “Tucker Teaches the CLockies to Copulate by David Erik Nelson. It will fry your brain

CindySpencerPapesorry, I’m a question behind

Mes’ok

CindySpencerPapeI have the 5th Gaslight book coming in April, Cards & Caravans

Seleste deLaneySoon is a relative term LOL. Clockwork Mafia is the sequel to Badlands and it’s slated to come out in April. Everything’s turned in, so now it’s just the waiting game. And I have a YA that is on sub with some agents that has both cyberpunk and steampunk elements. And that steampunk/time-travel/fairy-tale/fantasy one I’m dabbling with

CindySpencerPapeI also have a spin-off series my agent just sent out to publishers

Jenny SchwartzOoh!

Seleste deLaneyCindy writes like a machine ;-)

Jenny SchwartzI’m reading Moonlight & Mechanicals

MeOK, it’s almost 8:30pm now. I’ll open it up to Q&A if anyone has a question?

CindySpencerPapenot this last year–I’ve been slooooow

CindySpencerPapehugs, Jenny

MeI didn’t see any ? question marks earlier

Jenny Schwartz?

MeJenny?

appingo?

Seleste deLaneyI didn’t either

MeGo ahead appingo

CindySpencerPapenope

Seleste deLaneyOoo ooo! A question!

Seleste deLaney(I may have had too much tea today. I’m bouncing around like a crazy person. Sorry.)

MeAppingo, did you have a question?

appingoSteampunk I’ve found is usually pretty associated with brown–I was wondering if you associate any colors with steampunk besides that, or more specifically, with your personal works?

CindySpencerPapeLIKE a crazy person?

appingoYeah, sorry, I’m a slow typer, lol.

Seleste deLaney

Melol np

Jenny SchwartzColours?

MeGreat question

CindySpencerPapeIn my case, the clothes are every color of the rainbow, both in my books and my costume wardrobe

Jenny SchwartzBronze colours for me … green, brown, glimpses of gold … and blue sky – for the airships

Seleste deLaneyHonestly, as long as it isn’t neon, I’m pretty okay with it. I’ve done gold in costumes, black, pink, burgundy, I have a royal blue corset that I’m going to use for a steampunk Wonder Woman for RT this year…

Jenny SchwartzIs there steampunk without corsets? and goggles?

CindySpencerPapeI have a lot of black, but that’s mostly because it’s easy to find and match

Jenny Schwartz

MeI think brown is often associated with it because we see all of those sepia tone old photographs. But, historically, the Victorian Era is when cheap dyes were invented, so they wore clothes of many colors.

Seleste deLaneyThere won’t be many of either in the 3rd Badlands book

MeRed and mauve were very popular in Victorian times.

Seleste deLaney(er corsets or goggles)

Jenny Schwartzand I was being cheeky

CindySpencerPapecorsets are such an emblematic part of the Victorian era that most historical steampunk will have them. Futuristic steampunk, like Cherie Priest’s can get away with out them.

appingoRight, that’s kind of what I was thinking, JL with the brown association.

Seleste deLaneyI’ll openly admit I like them because of the look

MeGotta remember that those are photos that didn’t show the colors — like old B&W movies.

CindySpencerPapeoh yeah. They do wonders for your confidence

Seleste deLaney34499 had a question, JL

MeOK! Go for it.

Me*Points* “You, in the back of the room…” lol

Guest 34499:  I think that’s me. Sorry. What are your favorite books, resources for steam punk research?

MeYeah, it doesn’t show us names for many of you, just numbers.

Jenny SchwartzThe Steampunk Bible is a must. I’ll find a link…

CindySpencerPapeVictorianLondon.org is great for maps and other useful tidbits

Jenny Schwartzhttp://steampunkbible.com/ intro’d me to the Nantes elephant … which I’m now obsessed with

CindySpencerPapeDebretts.com has a lot of royal protocol and title precedence, etc.

Seleste deLaneyOh wow. Uh… *blushes* I didn’t use any books when I researched Badlands. It was all internet. Same for Clockwork Mafia. For #3, I’ve picked up a couple books at the library on the Underground Railroad and slave life in the Confederacy, but I don’t know the names off the top of my head.

elladrake:  ?

Jenny SchwartzOld newspaper archives… In Australia, the National Library provides trove.nla.gov.au

CindySpencerPapeetymonline.com is a good one for knowing if a word or phrase dates to the right period

MeI haven’t published a steampunk novel (yet) but for my jewelry, I draw a lot of inspiration from history itself. Art Nouveau, Arts & Crafts, Pre-Raphaelites, etc. I’m also a big fan of actual Victorian Era literature — Twain, Wilde, Dickens, etc.

MeElla, you have a question?

appingoAhhh bookmarking so many things, thanks!

elladrake:  Sure. Hi!

CindySpencerPapeand like Seleste, I use mostly online, though I do have a copy of Mrs. Beeton’s Book of Household Management behind my desk

elladrake:  Was wondering if you had any favorite steampunk gadgets?

Guest 34499:  Awesome sites. Thanks!

Jenny SchwartzReal ones, or ones I couldn’t possibly build?

Seleste deLaneyThere are a million gadgets I want, but do you mean within our books?

CindySpencerPapeanything from Warehouse 13

Seleste deLaneyLOL ditto on Warehouse 13!

elladrake:  I guess I meant either. from your books and anything that interested you elsewhere.

Seleste deLaney(I’ve got a few people I wouldn’t mind bronzing)

MateoWarren:  ?

Jenny SchwartzThis guy makes cool stuff for movies and TV https://www.facebook.c…ef=ts Remember the steampunk episode on Castle?

MeOn the topic of resources (going back a bit) I also recommend “Steampunk Style Jewelry.” It’s an art book available on Amazon. I’m in it (three times). Yes, it’s mostly about jewelry projects, but it also gives a great overview of steampunk costuming, movies, music, history, etc. It’s a good basic starter book.

CindySpencerPapein my books I have George the clockwork mastiff, who’s kind of like Data on Star Trek, meaning he’s developed a personality and everything

Seleste deLaneyWell, my favorite is probably the dragonflies Henri makes in Clockwork Mafia. (I have something like it tattooed on my foot–that’s love right there :P )

elladrake:  nice!

Jenny SchwartzElla, I love your question. Devices can forward plot or, like George, be a character in their own right

MeLet’s finish Ella’s question of gadgets, then MateoWarren has a question.

CindySpencerPapeoh–and I have cybermen, or something like them. That’s sort of an evil gadget

MeI love George!

CindySpencerPape

MeDidn’t you have those in Badlands, too, Seleste? It’s been awhile since I read it, but I remember some creepy flying thingies I thought were very cool.

CindySpencerPape(I have George magnets. If anyone wants them, email or facebook me)

MeAny more favorite gadgets?

Me(Send me a George magnet)

Jenny Schwartzthe Nantes elephant!

Seleste deLaneyI had programable clockwork birds in Badlands, but they were just the tip of the iceberg. The real nasty baddies come out in book 2 ;-)

CindySpencerPapeI think Seleste is a real master of airships. Hers are so intricate and real

Seleste deLaneyReally? *fluffs hair*

MeGo ahead and give us your question, MateoWarren?

Seleste deLaneyI love the relationships in yours.

MateoWarren:  When you mentioned “lite” steampunk it got me wondering: does steampunk have any sub-genres, like how Fantasy has High, Dark, and Urban?

Jenny Schwartz*nodding here*

MeI think steampunk is nothing but subgenres lol

Seleste deLaneyI think steampunk is more serious, mashup, and lite. Kind of like the “gaslamp fantasy”

Jenny SchwartzThere are different time periods … so Dieselpunk as we move on from steampunk

Seleste deLaneyCyberpunk

Seleste deLaneyBiopunk

CindySpencerPapewow, that’s sort of tough. there are a ton of related things, like elfpunk and diesel punk and gaslight fantasy. It’s all a question of whether you consider steampunk the broad category or one of the narrow ones

Jenny SchwartzThere are ones that reach back to the Roman Era … Romanpunk

Seleste deLaneyI know a woman who writes what she calls Piratepunk

Jenny Schwartz(slipping in Nantes Elephant link http://www.lesmachines…hant/ )

Seleste deLaneyRight

CindySpencerPapeMaureen Betita. Very cool.

Jenny SchwartzAnything you want to riff on (off?) is fine

Seleste deLaneyYep. Great lady too

Seleste deLaneySo, I guess for me, there is the very strictly defined steampunk and then there’s everything else.

elladrake:  (love the Nantes Elephant)

Jenny SchwartzIf you have a story burning to be written, you’ll probably find — or create your own — niche in steampunk

MeBalogun who I mentioned earlier uses the term “Steamfunk” for his stories

Jenny Schwartz(Ella I want to go there! not the Eiffel Tower, if I’m ever in France)

MateoWarren:  Wow… I didn’t know it reached all that far! -mind blown-

Jenny SchwartzSteamfunk is an excellent subgenre. Sharp and critical

CindySpencerPapeI agree with Jenny. If you want to write it, do so and worry about the label afterward

J.R. Woods?

MeYes, JR?

Seleste deLaneyLabels? We don’t need no stinking labels

CindySpencerPapesnicker

Jenny Schwartz(well, if they stink of money, I might be corrupted)

Seleste deLaneyTea. It’s the new energy drink

MeOn the subject of steampunk genres: http://contactinfinite…punk/

J.R. Woodshow do you address the idea of appealing to modern female (and male) readers in your books that are often set in a time period with different views on gender roles?

CindySpencerPapeheh. That’s the fun of ALTERNATE history. My women like to shake things up.

Seleste deLaneyhahahahaha I tend to mash up gender roles in a blender, trample them with a few horses, and throw them in the air and see what lands.

MeI think that’s a good point. Steampunk *looks* like the Victorian Era on the surface, but it’s important to remember that it is *alternate* history.

Jenny Schwartzthe punk bit of steampunk is part of this … by challenging norms from now and then in a nostalgic unreal setting there’s a fair bit of critique happening

MeIt’s not historical fiction, it’s science fiction, really.

Jenny SchwartzSo there’s a lot of expectation that social norms will be challenged. Modern sensibilities in an historical setting are celebrated. I love that

Seleste deLaneyI have a man-hating warrior woman, a virginal female doctor, an escaped slave turned dirigible pilot, and a young queen ripped out of a “formal education” as my main female leads

Seleste deLaneyWhat Jenny said.

CindySpencerPapeI also mess with other Victorian conventions. There’s a major secondary character in my series who’s a middle-aged lesbian. Yes, it’s secret, because it’s illegal, but the family knows and supports her. I’ve also got some racial issues coming up

Seleste deLaneyOne of the other genres I write a lot is urban fantasy, so some of my thoughts on female character tropes come from there.

Jenny SchwartzEmbarrassed by my ancient sociology degree slipping out

Seleste deLaneyLOL

J.R. Woodsgreat answers, thanks

MeHave I said how much I love you all? lol

CindySpencerPapeditto what Seleste said about urban fantasy

MeAlso on the topic of steampunk subdivisions and definitions: http://chroniclesofhar…nius/

Seleste deLaneyAs for men… those roles don’t have to be static either. I have great love for “beta” heroes. The ones who can kick ass but would rather not kill people if they don’t have to.

Me8:50pm We’ll have to wrap up the official discussion now, because we’re almost out of time and I need to move on to my next panel, “Girl Cooties in SF” hosted by the Contact-Infinite Futures SF/SFR blog. I will also be a panelist for “SF & SFR” at 5pm ET on Sunday, October 28.

Jenny Schwartz*swoon*

CindySpencerPapeyeah–mixing them in makes your world a lot more realistic

MeSeleste, Jenny and Cindy, are you going to be on any other panels during CoyoteCon?

Jenny SchwartzAudience for me. Taking notes

Seleste deLaneyI’m on the Monsters and Things that Go Bump panel Sunday at 11 am

CindySpencerPapegaming and writing at 1:30 tomorrow and the Here Be Magic panel (plug for the Here Be Magic group blog!) on Sunday

MeNow for the GIVEAWAY!

Seleste deLaneyAnd the Urban Fantasy panel Sunday at 12:30 pm (possibly alone, so if I drink enough tea, that should be a trip… just saying)

CindySpencerPapeooooh, shiny!

MeI’m going to randomly select three winners from our list of participants who are in the room right now!

CindySpencerPapeI can pitch in if you need someone, Sel

MeCekilgore? You’re winner #1

Jenny Schwartz*drumroll*

Seleste deLaneyCool We’ll talk after ;-)

CindySpencerPapewhhhhooooooo hoooooo

Seleste deLaneyWoot! Congrats Cekilgore!

Jenny SchwartzCongrats!!!

MePlease contact Jenny Schwartz for a copy of her book Courting Trouble

MeAnd Guest 96282

appingoCongrats!

Jenny Schwartzjenny AT authorjennyschwartz DOT com will find me

MePlease contact Seleste deLaney for a copy of her book Badlands

Seleste deLaneyCongrats 96282! I promise I’m not this flaky when I write… usually ;-)

MeI should note that these are digital copies, DRM-free epub or pdf, right?

MeAnd finally…

Seleste deLaneyYep

Jenny SchwartzYes!

CindySpencerPapeyep

Meappingo

MePlease contact Cindy Spencer Pape for a copy of her latest book Moonlight & Mechanicals!

appingoOh sweet!

Seleste deLaneyYay! Congrats Appingo!

appingoHaha.

S.Winchestercongrats! c:

Jenny SchwartzCongratulations, everyone!

MeA big thank you to our panelists and audience. There will be another Steampunk panel tomorrow at 9am ET, featuring Meredith Spies, Heather Massey and Ciara Knight. You can stay in this room and continue chatting, if you wish, but I’ll be over in the Raven room. Good night!

MateoWarren:  Congrats all! *claps*

Jenny SchwartzWhat a super chat!

Seleste deLaneyThank you everyone for coming! It was a lot of fun.

MariaZThanks all. Great links and info.

elladrake:  I enjoyed! and I also love beta heroes

CindySpencerPapethanks for coming!

Diane DooleyGreat panel. Interesting and fun. Thank you!

appingoWill do! Cindy, do you have an email I can reach you at?