Me: WELCOME TO THE LOKI CHATROOM. THIS IS THE STEAMPUNK PANEL.
Me: I am your moderator.
Seleste deLaney: Feeling far too sedate still
Me: Pay no attention to the woman behind the curtain…
Me: WELCOME to the Loki chatroom and the CoyoteCon Steampunk panel for Friday, October 26, at 8 PM ET. Our panelists are steampunk authors Seleste deLaney, Jenny Schwartz and Cindy Spencer Pape.
Seleste deLaney: There. *sits*
CindySpencerPape: tries not to giggle
Seleste deLaney: Testing
Me: I am your moderator, J.L. Hilton. I’ve been a steampunk and neo-Victorian jewelry designer for over ten years, and I am featured in the books “Steampunk Style Jewelry” and “1000 Steampunk Creations.” My jewelry website is JLHjewelry.com and my author website is JLHilton.com. I’m the author of the (not steampunk) sci-fi Stellarnet Series, but I’ve been invited to moderate because of my steampunk background — and because I’ve read steampunk books written by all of our wonderful panelists! I’m a fan of all.
Seleste deLaney: Grrrr
Jenny Schwartz: and we love your jewelry!
Me: Thank you!
Seleste deLaney: Yes!
Me: For the first part of our panel, I will have some questions for our panelists. Please allow each of them to respond and discuss, and HOLD ALL QUESTIONS.
Me: If you have a question, type “?” (it’s like raising your hand). I will keep a running list of attendees with questions and will call on you one by one when we open it up to general discussion and Q&A around 8:30pm ET.
Me: PLEASE PLEASE follow these guidelines, otherwise the text will scroll by too fast for me to keep up. I’m terrible at chatrooms! This will also ensure that we stay on topic, answer as many questions as possible, and allow our panelists to give full and thoughtful answers.
Me: So, basically, for the first 25 minutes or so, we’ll have questions, the panelists will have answers, and they will discuss amongst themselves.
Me: There will be a transcript of this chat available at the CoyoteCon website later on, as well.
Me: PRIZES: There will be a few door prizes at the end of the panel! We will be giving away digital copies (epub or pdf) of the latest steampunk novella, Courting Trouble, by Jenny Schwartz, Badlands by Seleste deLaney, and Cindy Spencer Pape’s new book, Moonlight & Mechanicals.
Me: Let’s get things rolling. Panelists: Tell us a little bit about yourselves (make sure to include websites, social media and where to buy your books) and give us the title(s) and a brief description of the steampunk book(s) you’ve published.
Seleste deLaney: Do you want us to go in any special order?
Jenny Schwartz: Oops
Me: Good point. OK, we’ll let Jenny start.
Me: Do you want to add anything, Jenny?
Jenny Schwartz: Nope. being good and silent for a bit
Me: OK, Seleste? Your turn.
Seleste deLaney: Hi all! I’m a former lab rat, turned science teacher, turned author. You can find me all over the internet. Website: http://selestedelaney.com/ Blog: http://selestedelaney…..com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Se…Laney Facebook: http://www.facebook.co…laney and http://www.facebook.co…06874 And I also blog for Here Be Magic, The ParaPosse, and the Evil League of Evil Writers (in addition to doing some reviews for Wicked Lil Pixie). I write paranormal romance, urban fantasy, romantic suspense, and of course steampunk romance. Badlands (http://ebooks.carinapr…
Me: lol If you’re done, Seleste, we can move on to Cindy?
Seleste deLaney: *hides in corner*
Jenny Schwartz: Hey, that’s my corner!
Me: Cindy, do you want to tell us about yourself?
Me: For those who’ve just joined us, you are in the Loki chatroom and the CoyoteCon Steampunk panel for Friday, October 26, at 8 PM ET. Our panelists are steampunk authors Seleste deLaney, Jenny Schwartz and Cindy Spencer Pape.
CindySpencerPape: and poor JL is the cat-herder
Me: Let’s keep this same order – Jenny, Seleste, Cindy – for the next question. Are your steampunk books blended with romance, fantasy, supernatural, horror, mystery or some other genre?
Jenny Schwartz: So yes, I think blending is good — just enjoy it, delight in it!
Jenny Schwartz: that’s me done
Seleste deLaney: I agree with Jenny, that you have to really enjoy what you’re writing or it will show to the reader. My steampunk books are about evenly split between action/adventure, steampunk/alt-history, and romance, mainly because I like that kind of balance in what I read. Sometimes just one genre is fine, but I prefer to have a lot of things going on but yet have them all work in a cohesive unit. I do have another project (very loosely) in the works that has more of a fantasy element to it, but that will be after I finish up a current series or two.
Seleste deLaney: Oh I went already. Sorry, oh Mod, my Mod
Jenny Schwartz: Badlands is awesome steampunk! Really well balanced and strongly imagined
CindySpencerPape: Let’s see, Carina Press labled Steam & Sorcery as SF, Phantoms and Photographs as Mystery, Kilts & Kraken as romance and Moonlight as fantasy. So I think it’s safe to say I believe in mixing things up, as the same elements are in all 4 stories.
Seleste deLaney: Thanks
CindySpencerPape: Yes, Badlands rocks
Jenny Schwartz: In fact, isn’t steampunk ABOUT blending?
Me: Good point, Jenny. I don’t think there’s any stand alone “just steampunk” in steampunk?
Seleste deLaney: Honestly, i think one of the best parts about this panel is that we’re all fans of each other’s work. I love both Jenny and Cindy’s steampunk too
Jenny Schwartz: This article really caught my attention, on that http://ageofsteam.word…punk/
CindySpencerPape: exactly. It starts out as a mix of historical and SF, so it certainly encourages further messing with reality
Me: Which is a good place for the next question: How do you define steampunk? What makes it steampunk and not just historical, fantasy or sci-fi?
Jenny Schwartz: To me, steampunk is diving into history and shaking it up. I’m very relaxed about definitions. If someone thinks something is steampunk, then it is.
Jenny Schwartz: I’m not sure about borders … Anyone else?
Seleste deLaney: But my definition is…
Seleste deLaney: For me, steampunk is defined by a combination of three things: steam technology, some type of advanced science (either within the steam tech itself or in other ways such as clockworks), and some sort of civil unrest (where the punk in steampunk comes from). For me, it’s the combination of those things (in whatever measure) that pushes the genre outside of being “just” historical, fantasy or sci-fi. Steampunk is a sci-fi minded fantasy in historical garb.
CindySpencerPape: that works
Me: Ooh, I like that.
Jenny Schwartz: Ooh yeah!
Seleste deLaney: *bows*
Seleste deLaney: LOL
Jenny Schwartz: *nods*
Seleste deLaney: Exactly. It’s an “I know it when I see it” genre
Me: Or I know when it really ISN’T … as on Regretsy.com and their “Not remotely steampunk” category lol
Jenny Schwartz: TV shows will help…Lantern City, and the Huck & Finn in New Orleans
CindySpencerPape: absolutely. And then you throw in the “lifestyle” folks who don’t even bother to read, but consider themselves authorities on the genre…
Me: Does the genre dictate or influence the types of characters, stories and settings you create? Could your characters and plots exist in a non-steampunk world?
Jenny Schwartz: My characters could exist in a non-steampunk world, which is why “The Bustlepunk Chronicles” are steampunk-lite. The plots, if I tweaked them, could exist in a non-steampunk world. But there wouldn’t be the fun, the sheer delight of imagining an impossible world.
Jenny Schwartz: I’m not a hardcore steampunk … more frivolous and tend to be Audience to others’ efforts
Seleste deLaney: Well, Badlands started out as a space western, so yes, my characters could exist outside a steampunk world. However, they fit so well into the mechanics of steampunk that it’s hard for me to imagine them elsewhere now. I think steampunk allows for certain types of characters that would be frowned upon in some other genres. For instance, the rogue warrior women don’t fit many areas in straight historical. And the gorgeous yet virginal scientist would be a hard sell in sci-fi. Steampunk allows for both extremes and I think it’s one of the best genres to really show range, especially where female characters are concerned.
CindySpencerPape: some of mine could. Book 1 for me was a vampire hunter and a governess. Both could be in any era-fantasy. But the stuff they deal with firmly placed them in their world
Me: (Sorry, that’s a question I didn’t give you in advance)
Jenny Schwartz: Because you HAVE to!
Me: Everything’s better with steampunk
Jenny Schwartz: Steampunk is all about attitude. It makes its own demands on the story – and on authors
Jenny Schwartz: I love taking real history and shaking it up. So that’s where my inspiration comes from. Old books, old buildings, the desire to “correct” history’s mistakes.
Seleste deLaney: Yeah. Like I said, Badlands started out as a different story. (Only Ever is a lot like her original incarnation). This just worked better as a world.
CindySpencerPape: and my stuff is pretty lite too, by most standards, so I don’t claim to be an authority on what is and isn’t steampunk. But the fun is in mixing all the amazing elements of history, attitude, SF, fantasy and romance. It’s a genre that just lets the imagination fly
Seleste deLaney: The freedom. As kind of its own animal, steampunk welcomes the different. It encourages genre mashups and allows the author to tweak history. When I sat down to (re-)write Badlands (after I decided I hated the space western version), it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders. I didn’t have to try to shove the story in a box anymore, I could just let it tell itself. It was an amazing feeling.
CindySpencerPape: honestly, I just really like it
Seleste deLaney: On the flip side, the hardest part is with regard to the series. Some stories have more of the steampunk elements in them than others and that makes it very difficult for me to find that balance I like. I’m working on book 3 right now and trying not to get bogged down in research while also trying to find ways to work in the technological advances.
Me: Do you “live” steampunk beyond your writing? Maybe through costuming, art, groups or clubs, etc.?
Jenny Schwartz: I’m not brave like Cindy and Seleste. I don’t costume up. But I do enjoy chatting with other steampunk enthusiasts. Fridays 9pm (New York time) you’ll generally find me on the #steampunkchat on Twitter. Everyone’s welcome to join in.
Seleste deLaney: (cheater, you went out of order )
CindySpencerPape: I do a little bit of costuming and am dabbling in the social scene, but don’t take it too seriously.
Seleste deLaney: I love to dress up for events when I get the chance, but where I live there isn’t a lot of opportunity (everything is either in Chicago or on the other side of Michigan). So, I costume when I can and I collect a bit of jewelry, but that’s it.
Me: I am the eeeevil moderator.
Seleste deLaney: LOL
Jenny Schwartz: We forgive you
Me: What is your favorite steampunk book from someone NOT on the panel?
Seleste deLaney: I don’t
Jenny Schwartz: I love Cory Doctorow’s short story, “Clockwork Fagin”. You can download it free from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/…R67HS It’s a wonderful example of steampunk.
Me: OH GOD I LOVE THAT ONE
Seleste deLaney: That’s a hard one, especially since I love the work by the other panelists, but I absolutely adore the Kady Cross’s Steampunk Chronicles (Girl in the Steel Corset is the first one). It’s kind of a steampunk take on the X-men that is a fantastic literary escape for me.
Me: Love those too
CindySpencerPape: Kate Cross’s Heart of Brass is really good
Me: I’m going to jump in here and give a shout out to Balogun Ojetade’s Chronicles of Harriet Tubman. They are amazing.
Me: Do you have any steampunk WIP or coming soon?
Jenny Schwartz: I have a gold rush story underway and plans for another story where for once I have an idea for a title: “The Revenge Device”. And I just finished a first draft on a steampunk regency
CindySpencerPape: on the super-surreal side, check out a short story called “Tucker Teaches the CLockies to Copulate by David Erik Nelson. It will fry your brain
CindySpencerPape: sorry, I’m a question behind
CindySpencerPape: I have the 5th Gaslight book coming in April, Cards & Caravans
Seleste deLaney: Soon is a relative term LOL. Clockwork Mafia is the sequel to Badlands and it’s slated to come out in April. Everything’s turned in, so now it’s just the waiting game. And I have a YA that is on sub with some agents that has both cyberpunk and steampunk elements. And that steampunk/time-travel/fairy-
CindySpencerPape: I also have a spin-off series my agent just sent out to publishers
Jenny Schwartz: Ooh!
Seleste deLaney: Cindy writes like a machine
Jenny Schwartz: I’m reading Moonlight & Mechanicals
Me: OK, it’s almost 8:30pm now. I’ll open it up to Q&A if anyone has a question?
CindySpencerPape: not this last year–I’ve been slooooow
CindySpencerPape: hugs, Jenny
Me: I didn’t see any ? question marks earlier
Jenny Schwartz: ?
Seleste deLaney: I didn’t either
Me: Go ahead appingo
Seleste deLaney: Ooo ooo! A question!
Seleste deLaney: (I may have had too much tea today. I’m bouncing around like a crazy person. Sorry.)
Me: Appingo, did you have a question?
appingo: Steampunk I’ve found is usually pretty associated with brown–I was wondering if you associate any colors with steampunk besides that, or more specifically, with your personal works?
CindySpencerPape: LIKE a crazy person?
appingo: Yeah, sorry, I’m a slow typer, lol.
Me: lol np
Jenny Schwartz: Colours?
Me: Great question
Jenny Schwartz: Bronze colours for me … green, brown, glimpses of gold … and blue sky – for the airships
Jenny Schwartz: Is there steampunk without corsets? and goggles?
CindySpencerPape: I have a lot of black, but that’s mostly because it’s easy to find and match
Seleste deLaney: There won’t be many of either in the 3rd Badlands book
Me: Red and mauve were very popular in Victorian times.
Seleste deLaney: (er corsets or goggles)
Jenny Schwartz: and I was being cheeky
appingo: Right, that’s kind of what I was thinking, JL with the brown association.
Me: Gotta remember that those are photos that didn’t show the colors — like old B&W movies.
Seleste deLaney: 34499 had a question, JL
Me: OK! Go for it.
Me: *Points* “You, in the back of the room…” lol
Guest 34499: I think that’s me. Sorry. What are your favorite books, resources for steam punk research?
Me: Yeah, it doesn’t show us names for many of you, just numbers.
Jenny Schwartz: The Steampunk Bible is a must. I’ll find a link…
Jenny Schwartz: http://
Seleste deLaney: Oh wow. Uh… *blushes* I didn’t use any books when I researched Badlands. It was all internet. Same for Clockwork Mafia. For #3, I’ve picked up a couple books at the library on the Underground Railroad and slave life in the Confederacy, but I don’t know the names off the top of my head.
Jenny Schwartz: Old newspaper archives… In Australia, the National Library provides trove.nla.gov.au
Me: I haven’t published a steampunk novel (yet) but for my jewelry, I draw a lot of inspiration from history itself. Art Nouveau, Arts & Crafts, Pre-Raphaelites, etc. I’m also a big fan of actual Victorian Era literature — Twain, Wilde, Dickens, etc.
Me: Ella, you have a question?
appingo: Ahhh bookmarking so many things, thanks!
elladrake: Sure. Hi!
CindySpencerPape: and like Seleste, I use mostly online, though I do have a copy of Mrs. Beeton’s Book of Household Management behind my desk
elladrake: Was wondering if you had any favorite steampunk gadgets?
Guest 34499: Awesome sites. Thanks!
Jenny Schwartz: Real ones, or ones I couldn’t possibly build?
Seleste deLaney: There are a million gadgets I want, but do you mean within our books?
CindySpencerPape: anything from Warehouse 13
Seleste deLaney: LOL ditto on Warehouse 13!
elladrake: I guess I meant either. from your books and anything that interested you elsewhere.
Seleste deLaney: (I’ve got a few people I wouldn’t mind bronzing)
Jenny Schwartz: This guy makes cool stuff for movies and TV https://www.facebook.c…ef=ts Remember the steampunk episode on Castle?
Me: On the topic of resources (going back a bit) I also recommend “Steampunk Style Jewelry.” It’s an art book available on Amazon. I’m in it (three times). Yes, it’s mostly about jewelry projects, but it also gives a great overview of steampunk costuming, movies, music, history, etc. It’s a good basic starter book.
CindySpencerPape: in my books I have George the clockwork mastiff, who’s kind of like Data on Star Trek, meaning he’s developed a personality and everything
Seleste deLaney: Well, my favorite is probably the dragonflies Henri makes in Clockwork Mafia. (I have something like it tattooed on my foot–that’s love right there )
Jenny Schwartz: Ella, I love your question. Devices can forward plot or, like George, be a character in their own right
Me: Let’s finish Ella’s question of gadgets, then MateoWarren has a question.
CindySpencerPape: oh–and I have cybermen, or something like them. That’s sort of an evil gadget
Me: I love George!
Me: Didn’t you have those in Badlands, too, Seleste? It’s been awhile since I read it, but I remember some creepy flying thingies I thought were very cool.
CindySpencerPape: (I have George magnets. If anyone wants them, email or facebook me)
Me: Any more favorite gadgets?
Me: (Send me a George magnet)
Jenny Schwartz: the Nantes elephant!
Seleste deLaney: I had programable clockwork birds in Badlands, but they were just the tip of the iceberg. The real nasty baddies come out in book 2
CindySpencerPape: I think Seleste is a real master of airships. Hers are so intricate and real
Seleste deLaney: Really? *fluffs hair*
Me: Go ahead and give us your question, MateoWarren?
Seleste deLaney: I love the relationships in yours.
MateoWarren: When you mentioned “lite” steampunk it got me wondering: does steampunk have any sub-genres, like how Fantasy has High, Dark, and Urban?
Jenny Schwartz: *nodding here*
Me: I think steampunk is nothing but subgenres lol
Seleste deLaney: I think steampunk is more serious, mashup, and lite. Kind of like the “gaslamp fantasy”
Jenny Schwartz: There are different time periods … so Dieselpunk as we move on from steampunk
Seleste deLaney: Cyberpunk
Seleste deLaney: Biopunk
CindySpencerPape: wow, that’s sort of tough. there are a ton of related things, like elfpunk and diesel punk and gaslight fantasy. It’s all a question of whether you consider steampunk the broad category or one of the narrow ones
Jenny Schwartz: There are ones that reach back to the Roman Era … Romanpunk
Seleste deLaney: I know a woman who writes what she calls Piratepunk
Jenny Schwartz: (slipping in Nantes Elephant link http://www.lesmachines…hant/ )
Seleste deLaney: Right
CindySpencerPape: Maureen Betita. Very cool.
Jenny Schwartz: Anything you want to riff on (off?) is fine
Seleste deLaney: Yep. Great lady too
Seleste deLaney: So, I guess for me, there is the very strictly defined steampunk and then there’s everything else.
elladrake: (love the Nantes Elephant)
Jenny Schwartz: If you have a story burning to be written, you’ll probably find — or create your own — niche in steampunk
Me: Balogun who I mentioned earlier uses the term “Steamfunk” for his stories
Jenny Schwartz: (Ella I want to go there! not the Eiffel Tower, if I’m ever in France)
MateoWarren: Wow… I didn’t know it reached all that far! -mind blown-
Jenny Schwartz: Steamfunk is an excellent subgenre. Sharp and critical
CindySpencerPape: I agree with Jenny. If you want to write it, do so and worry about the label afterward
J.R. Woods: ?
Me: Yes, JR?
Seleste deLaney: Labels? We don’t need no stinking labels
Jenny Schwartz: (well, if they stink of money, I might be corrupted)
Seleste deLaney: Tea. It’s the new energy drink
Me: On the subject of steampunk genres: http://contactinfinite…punk/
J.R. Woods: how do you address the idea of appealing to modern female (and male) readers in your books that are often set in a time period with different views on gender roles?
CindySpencerPape: heh. That’s the fun of ALTERNATE history. My women like to shake things up.
Me: I think that’s a good point. Steampunk *looks* like the Victorian Era on the surface, but it’s important to remember that it is *alternate* history.
Jenny Schwartz: the punk bit of steampunk is part of this … by challenging norms from now and then in a nostalgic unreal setting there’s a fair bit of critique happening
Me: It’s not historical fiction, it’s science fiction, really.
Jenny Schwartz: So there’s a lot of expectation that social norms will be challenged. Modern sensibilities in an historical setting are celebrated. I love that
Seleste deLaney: I have a man-hating warrior woman, a virginal female doctor, an escaped slave turned dirigible pilot, and a young queen ripped out of a “formal education” as my main female leads
Seleste deLaney: What Jenny said.
CindySpencerPape: I also mess with other Victorian conventions. There’s a major secondary character in my series who’s a middle-aged lesbian. Yes, it’s secret, because it’s illegal, but the family knows and supports her. I’ve also got some racial issues coming up
Seleste deLaney: One of the other genres I write a lot is urban fantasy, so some of my thoughts on female character tropes come from there.
Jenny Schwartz: Embarrassed by my ancient sociology degree slipping out
Seleste deLaney: LOL
J.R. Woods: great answers, thanks
Me: Have I said how much I love you all? lol
CindySpencerPape: ditto what Seleste said about urban fantasy
Me: Also on the topic of steampunk subdivisions and definitions: http://chroniclesofhar…nius/
Seleste deLaney: As for men… those roles don’t have to be static either. I have great love for “beta” heroes. The ones who can kick ass but would rather not kill people if they don’t have to.
Me: 8:50pm We’ll have to wrap up the official discussion now, because we’re almost out of time and I need to move on to my next panel, “Girl Cooties in SF” hosted by the Contact-Infinite Futures SF/SFR blog. I will also be a panelist for “SF & SFR” at 5pm ET on Sunday, October 28.
Jenny Schwartz: *swoon*
Me: Seleste, Jenny and Cindy, are you going to be on any other panels during CoyoteCon?
Jenny Schwartz: Audience for me. Taking notes
Seleste deLaney: I’m on the Monsters and Things that Go Bump panel Sunday at 11 am
CindySpencerPape: gaming and writing at 1:30 tomorrow and the Here Be Magic panel (plug for the Here Be Magic group blog!) on Sunday
Me: Now for the GIVEAWAY!
Seleste deLaney: And the Urban Fantasy panel Sunday at 12:30 pm (possibly alone, so if I drink enough tea, that should be a trip… just saying)
CindySpencerPape: ooooh, shiny!
Me: I’m going to randomly select three winners from our list of participants who are in the room right now!
CindySpencerPape: I can pitch in if you need someone, Sel
Jenny Schwartz: *drumroll*
Seleste deLaney: Cool We’ll talk after
Seleste deLaney: Woot! Congrats Cekilgore!
Jenny Schwartz: Congrats!!!
Me: Please contact Jenny Schwartz for a copy of her book Courting Trouble
Me: And Guest 96282
Jenny Schwartz: jenny AT authorjennyschwartz DOT com will find me
Me: Please contact Seleste deLaney for a copy of her book Badlands
Seleste deLaney: Congrats 96282! I promise I’m not this flaky when I write… usually
Me: I should note that these are digital copies, DRM-free epub or pdf, right?
Me: And finally…
Seleste deLaney: Yep
Jenny Schwartz: Yes!
Me: Please contact Cindy Spencer Pape for a copy of her latest book Moonlight & Mechanicals!
appingo: Oh sweet!
Seleste deLaney: Yay! Congrats Appingo!
S.Winchester: congrats! c:
Jenny Schwartz: Congratulations, everyone!
Me: A big thank you to our panelists and audience. There will be another Steampunk panel tomorrow at 9am ET, featuring Meredith Spies, Heather Massey and Ciara Knight. You can stay in this room and continue chatting, if you wish, but I’ll be over in the Raven room. Good night!
MateoWarren: Congrats all! *claps*
Jenny Schwartz: What a super chat!
Seleste deLaney: Thank you everyone for coming! It was a lot of fun.
MariaZ: Thanks all. Great links and info.
elladrake: I enjoyed! and I also love beta heroes
CindySpencerPape: thanks for coming!
Diane Dooley: Great panel. Interesting and fun. Thank you!
appingo: Will do! Cindy, do you have an email I can reach you at?